It’s bad for consumers but a valid business strategy. “…Axle Compatibility: Race 130x5mm…” shouldn’t you mean “Road 130x5mm”? Maybe I somehow downloaded an old version from the app store and it was updated? I have one of the original Direto models. Thx a lot for your answer, but it’s odd, I am connected through ANT+ FE-C on windows, and I don’t see the wrench… According to your link I should see it both in ANT+ FE-C and bluetooth ? C) Plug it in. I’m curious what’s the better option for the rider who is not racing, rides mostly for pleasure, but in bunch rides likes to push himself to the limits. C) Power Stability: How stable is it in holding a given ERG mode setting? For example, one thing I noted that’s important in my review is putting your front chainring into the small ring (as every ERG app and trainer company recommends). Though it seems better than the Drivo2. I think that the Core might be set in “Erg mode power smoothing”, which should be set by default. Direto XR problems with ERG mode. I run a Shimano ultegra RX800 and as you suguest look it up carefully. I sell the device. I think upgrading a V1 to this might be a push unless you spend a lot of time in ERG mode. So some of the intervals I was a little bit less stable than others. Damit sind jetzt Steigungen von 24% realistisch simulierbar. I keep constant 90 rpm cadence, +/- 2 rpm. In a related note, next to the fan you say they’re about $18 dollers, but they’re no where near that on Amazon at the moment. No worries, not a normal person problem. As Chris noted, easily go direct-drive rather than wheel on. Got all that? And finally, here’s a handy list of trainer accessories that most folks getting a smart trainer for the first time might not have already: There's no better bang for your buck in getting Zwift (or FulGaz/etc) on your big screen TV than Apple TV - it's the primary way I Zwift. A few weeks ago I received a BNIB Direto XR in replacement of my Direto X that was irreparable. Thanks. Der neue Direto XR ist die Weiterentwicklung des Direto X und soll an Leistungsfähigkeit gewonnen haben. I tried both options with the spacers provided by Elite but it did not help. Elite Direto XR Smart Trainer: Details // Ride Review // Lama Lab Test Elite this week introduces the Direto XR smart trainer as their top model indoor cycle trainer. The second mode the trainer has is ERG mode. I did not see your answer before. Technically use, but it can be finicky. International. It doesn’t cost you anything extra, but your purchases help support this website a lot. But just google wheel-on vs direct-drive and you’ll find some really good content on the subject … in addition to what you can find here at dcrainmaker.com , Spend the $$ and get a Direct Drive unit. I typically do that with my 30×30 test via TrainerRoad, though it doesn’t really matter what method you use as long as you’re looking at big shifts in wattage: Now, I dive into all the nuances of this later on in the accuracy section, specifically including my 30×30 test via TrainerRoad, though it doesn’t really matter what method you use as long as you’re looking at big shifts in wattage. So if you intend using the trainer also for outdoor races for warm-ups and cool-downs, then a wheel-on trainer is more suitable. You can but it won’t be nowhere near as good. I don’t know but it initially did not look exactly like the screenshots in the review (I now wish I had taken screenshots of my own) and I had assumed that the one I downloaded was the newer version. They look like Fizik Infinito R1s. But at the end of the day, you might just be wondering “What does Ray use when not testing new products?”. From my W10 desktop, using ANT+, no wrench. Have you tried on different devices? The spiral of death is inevitable, once you fail the interval power, you have no choice but wait for the recovery interval, so you can restart. 1-3 Werk­ta­ge. “….You need to change the ‘Trainer Difficulty’ level to 100% in order to feel it (and most people don’t bother to)….”. Great work, as usual ! Neither Elite or Zwift seem able to help me. No biggie, that’s easy enough to do. Der DIRETO XR erweitert unsere Auswahl an interaktiven Rollentrainern durch ein Modell, welches noch leistungsfähiger, noch stabiler und noch genauer ist als seine Vorgänger. B) Power Responsiveness: How quickly can it achieve a given set point (e.g. For me I think the key for calibrate (through zwift) was to cycle faster than the speed Zwift suggested. If that’s the case (but certainly not saying my choices aren’t good for women), and you just want to see a different gear junkies “picks”, check out The Girl’s 2018 Gear Guide too. If however, it can live up to the road-feel that I saw last year at Eurobike, as well as the accuracy claims they have, it’ll be a solid budget option for those that don’t want to deal with taking off their rear wheel. Thanks. It’s still a trainer, and I’m still looking at a wall in front of me. Im Test: Elite Direto+ Rollentrainer . I am not bothered with accuracy since I train only on this trainer. They work just fine. Der Elite Direto XR liegt preislich zwischen dem günstigeren Suito und dem Spitzenmodell Drivo II. I’ll try power smoothing at 10 this evening. Are you willing to review or test beta products? Any thoughts on what could be wrong? Maybe the video difference is just due to different recording setup or levels? I've been using it as my main trainer desk for a long time now and love it. Er ist in der Lage, Steigungen von bis zu 24% zu simulieren, wobei eine Leistung von 2300 Watt bei einer Geschwindigkeit von 40 km/h entwickelt wird, 10% mehr als der Direto konnte und 6% mehr als der Direto X. Your reviews and comments about products most valuable!!! Versatility: actually wheel-on trainers are generally speaking more versatile as they are smaller and lighter and there is no wheel assemply required. Still, I think most people will be good with it. This is only suggestions, and what I should have tried, dont know if any of them works for u. The included cassette isn’t a deal breaker as I’ll be using my 10-speed bike on the trainer and will need to buy a cassette whichever trainer I get! Ich frag mich nur, ob die plastikverkleidung des direto xr, nicht irgendwann unter Belastung anfängt Geräusche zu machen? For me, in my testing, I used Zwift and TrainerRoad as my two main apps (which are the two main apps I use personally). B) Ensure you’re using the small ring up front: This is for ERG mode specifically, shift into the small ring to get better control. Then, with the money that I would save with respect to the Direto XR or the Saris H3, I could also buy a good quality front light just in case I wanted to ride outside during autumn/winter. Direto xr:762 € on bike-discount.de, should i get it ? B. Mit einer Hersteller UVP von 849,00 Euro ist er ein solider Performer und unterbietet direkte Konkurrenten wie den Wahoo KICKR Core oder den Tacx Neo 2T. In the above, you’ll note there’s cadence data baked into the various streams. Appreciate it! Wanna save some cash and support the site? Has always been 50% by default. I have Quarq DZero PM on my bike and readings are identical, both in values and in shape in time. To get a new direct drive turbo trainer and have found the elite suito for £580 or the elite drivo 1 for £600. “nobody actually wants to go up a 24% hill”, Well, I live in Seattle and I am training so I can make it to the corner from my house without walking. I have installed my 12spd MTB on a 8spd cassette on my trainer and it works fine. So I was a little bit shot. Das ist nicht schwierig, kann aber auf Dauer nerven, wenn man den Elite Rollentrainer für jede Trainingseinheit auf- und abbauen möchte. I recently bought the Direto XR as my first smart trainer. I calibrate everything, set offset. I like my front wheel to stay put and not aimlessly wiggle around. Yeah, I don’t think Elite would disagree on max grade being about marketing. However, I don’t know which units were off. By going near 50 km/h, the spin down actually works…. See — link to zwiftinsider.com. Watts are watts. That said, 3 years ago the gap between the two was more or less double compared to where we are today. Yes with this adaptor (available seperately) link to elite-it.com I know that we are human and it si impossible to keep the power really ‘flat’ but fluctuations of 30/40W in erg mode are not a normal behaviour in my opinion. Thank you. Seems a bit hit or miss between brands. der Wahoo Kickr (21,9 kg). Interesting but aren’t you essentially riding long hours with your saddle nose up if you use a tall riser? Ob das tatsächlich Einfluss auf die längerfristige Haltbarkeit oder Leistung hat, ist schwer zu sagen. Wahoo Kickr Core or XR? I’ve read pretty much every review of yours for direct drive smart trainers including the comments. I’m from out of the country and will be visiting the US, what’s the best triathlon shop in city XYZ? Please feel free to give me feedback if you have any doubts. Why haven’t you yet released a review for XYZ product you mentioned months ago? Most important aspects for me in the following order are: ERG responsiveness, noise and climb simulation. Just asking: Is there anyone else here having updated to 073 to share some experience, whether he does or does not experience similar or same issues? I set power smoothing to 6. Note that none of my other workouts had cadence drops in them, so whatever was unique about this workout or gearing/resistance combination was more challenging. Or do I have to buy a new cassette? And in this interval there were short 400w intervals built into each set, and those handled quite nicely actually for all of them. Wir haben den Direto, die Neuheit von Elite, ausführlich auf Funktionalität, Fahrverhalten, Widerstandsregulierung und Belastbarkeit getestet. Any help would be welcome; I’ve been struggling for a few days now and am on the verge of returning the bike. All it does is effectively change the gears you have available. Most gears are completely off, or won’t shift at all. Peter. Depending on which region you’re in, it’s either already available to order and ship today, or it’s on a boat. I say ‘quite’ happy as it’s a lot better than the Elite Novo smart trainer I’ve just sold but very similar as well. For the purposes of this particular table, I’ve compared it against the Tacx Flux 2, Wahoo KICKR CORE, and Saris H3. I’d rather the darn trainer be accurate to begin with. Produktinformation. 200w), Includes motor to drive speed (simulate downhill), Can directionally steer trainer (left/right), Can simulate road patterns/shaking (i.e. Also, I assume for the calibration on the Direto, you let that warm-up for about 10 minutes or so? You can send the workout to the garmin device (edge or probably the watch can do it too) and follow it from there. I ended up buying an Elite Tuo which I’m quite happy with. So what are the unknowns? – Axle Compatibility: Race 130x5mm, MTB 135x5mm, 142x12mm (with adapter for 135×10-12mm & 148x12mm) Oh, yeah, definitely start pedaling before the video. Easy to set up and connect, great design and a smooth riding experience. I’d love to know where you can get them for that price. Should I just swap it to a 11-34 one ? In theory this keeps it from breaking the trainer power port if you trip over it and rip it out. 799,- € OREKA TRAINING O5 Direktantriebstrainer. Der neue Direto X ist der Nachfolger des Direto und wurde laut Elite in einigen Punkten deutlich verbessert. In any case, that’s not a hugely long list of new things, but some of the items in it are big ticket ones – notably the inclusion of a cassette, but also the increased grade simulation. Thank you for raising this question. So, I’ll just find the gearing that sounds clean, and do the workout in that gear. Based on my testing, even a small amount can lead to improved comfort while seated. Quieter than a Flux 2 for sure, but not as quiet as a KICKR Core. Doch dazu später mehr. As always for ERG mode, I used the smaller ring in the front chainring (as recommended by trainer company and app company, as it helps control flywheel speed). Everytime I start a workout in ERG mode, it’s almost impossible to get the cranks moving. Leistungsstarker Rollentrainer mit Direktantrieb: DIRETO XR von ELITE. Now It can be used only in “sim mode” due a hidden damage caused by the courier. They all should use the same Bluetooth protocol to transmit commands to the unit. Yeah, I suspect honestly the challenge is that so few people use the pedaling analysis that it’s probably a non-thing. Elite says this makes a 26% larger intertia amount: What should one do when one fails an interval and needs to restart the trainer after a spiral of death? Thanks. Wenn du eine Spindown-Kalibrierung durchführen möchtest oder musst, ist dies schnell und einfach erledigt und kann während des Fahrens auf Zwift oder über die My E-Training-App von Elite für iOS oder Android durchgeführt werden. It’s better but not actually “better.” The wattage is all over the place even though my cadence is steady along with the resistance. Do we know that for sure? The unit supports the following protocols and transmission standards: ANT+ FE-C (Trainer Control): This is for controlling the trainer via ANT+ from apps and head units (with cadence/power data). But is there a way to pair my Garmin hrm-tri to the Direto XR and then pass the heart rate to Zwift by using the Direto XR as an Ant+ to Bluetooth conversion? Ride experience: Direct-drive trainers offer a better all-around indoor experience compared to wheel-on models. Der Elite Direto XR ist mit allen gängigen Indoor-Cycling-Apps wie Zwift, The Sufferfest, RGT Cycling, Rouvy und TrainerRoad kompatibel. I can only barely (maybe) break 1,000w for a second or two, and even most front of the non-pro pack cyclists aren’t going to top 1,800w. After removing all the plastic stuffs, you’ve got the trainer ready to go, which takes precisely three steps: A) Unfold legs Note that because you remove the rear wheel I can’t use something like a PowerTap hub to compare as well (which I would use in power meter testing normally). So for example, Amazon Germany shows that same fan as 19EUR: link to amzn.to. Die Elite Daten sind allerdings nur über die My E-Training Plattform von Elite abrufbar. A bit OT but you show using the Elite Sterzo for the riser block and mention that you always use a riser. Es wäre ideal, wenn der Elite Direto XR eine automatische Kalibrierungsfunktion wie der KICKR Core hätte, aber unsere Tests zeigen, dass er auch ohne ständige Kalibrierung zuverlässige Daten liefert. Narrator: In a strange turn of events, AW is now walking is bike and trainer up the hill…err…garage. Then add drivechain losses of about 1-3% depending on how clean that is. – New ERG mode algorithm with increased responsiveness/stability In die gleiche Kerbe schlägt die simulierbare Steigung. For $8, this solves that problem. I was just wondering if it’s me who uses the trainer wrong or an issue with the algorithm. Great Tacx alluded to some of this in their Flux 2 series, and I included some charts showing it. I’m in the same boat about the same two trainers. Is the Saris H3 really that much better than this model? I tried to register with the Elite forum days ago to comment but it requires approval and they seem to not be approving. And of course – you can always sign-up to be a DCR Supporter! Thankfully Elite is standardized on power adapter bricks, so mentally I know that one. Hi Konstantinos, I don’t think there’s a single one that’s fine. I thought of outright adjusting it from scrtch – but when I put the wheel back on, the shifting is fine. It’s absolutely making it easier because most humans pedal bikes easier and more efficiently at a 80-100rpm cadence than a 50-60rpm one. As software for the fit file I used garmin connect. By applying resistance control, apps can simulate climbs as well as set specific wattage targets. But the point is, on a trainer you’re not doing a 1000 ft climb, you’re doing a zero foot climb. Tks The trainer hardware is more than capable of doing it better, when doing the crit zone in Zwift, on the rollers, the trainer instantly changes the resistance to match the terrain. Prêt à l’emploi. Check out However, there are a few obvious cadence spikes in there, where the green line spikes up for a second or two, to 120rpm+: Finally, let’s look at that previously mentioned Mont Ventoux session on Zwift. I’ve sorted it all by world geography, in an attempt to make it easy to figure out where I’ve been. Wie die meisten seiner modernen Konkurrenten ist auch der Elite Direto XR erfreulich leise. ELITE: cobblestones), Support rolldown procedure (for wheel based), Supports ANT+ FE-C (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Bluetooth Smart FTMS (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Multiple Concurrent Bluetooth connections. Durch Plug & Play-Konfiguration schnell startklar. Elite Direto XR Rol­len­trai­ner schwarz universal. Sadly not, off-brand there. Pls add a note to my attention. Some saying I should use two spacers. And if I want power meter with Suito I need to get separate power meter (cranks/pedals etc)? Pedal Analysis is an in-app purchase from the myETraining app. Jut to be sure that i’ve not got it wrong: is the Drivo lineup dead? The long one should work but please check carefully. – Integrated Power Meter (OTS), with accuracy claim of +/- 1.5% Hey Ivo. And being awesome is what it’s all about! Thank you! Narrator: Now we watch as AW change the difficulty setting The reason I do this is a faux proxy that is meant to replace the backward push we experience when riding outside, from wind resistance. The whole reason I like zwift and bought the original Drivo was so that I could train with the proper simulated grade. On peut monter d’autres dentures et d’autres types de cassette en changeant le corps. Look at the link and you’ll see it next to the power source. Between all these standards you can basically connect to anything and everything you’d ever want to. If you use Elite’s own software, MyETraining, or the Garmin/Wahoo head unit to run the intervals, you will get the full delay. I want to suffer on 15% hills to better prepare me for outdoor riding. For example, on responsiveness, it was taking about 3-4 seconds to go from 150w to 450w, pretty consistently. In dieser Zeit kannst du dir einen Überblick verschaffen, mit der Community interagieren und Zwift testen. I’ll ask, but I suspect not. It doesn’t matter what app is controlling the trainer, it needs to be in ERG mode. There’s a handful of minor cadence quirks in occasional spots, but as you can see from the chart above – it’s only in certain ride situations and is limited to a second or two. The Elite Direto XR continues the lineage of the Direto trainer brand, but significantly ramps up the capabilities of the trainer. This was good. People have explained this a million times. Any idea why the unit broadcasts a fairly low speed signal to my Garmin Edge 530 while using the training mode? I note the fact that in ERG mode it is advisable to shift to a small ring at front and towards the hub at the back. There the ERG mode kind of fails. Elite Direto XR setup. But as a result, the power overshoots the target by over 100W before stabilizing to the desired watts – making the training session much harder to complete. There is nothing natural about locking a bike vertically like done on most trainers. Test: Elite Direto XR - nech žije kráľ. For Zwift it’s not so important as it doesn’t care the speed but just the power developed by the rider. Rechts daneben sieht man den, aus der gleichen Perspektive fotografierten Rollentrainer mit eingeklappten Standbeinen.Der Elite Direto XR lässt sich platzsparend zusammenklappen. Pre-COVId I would bikr around 300 to 350 k per week and I can avg a bit over 30 kph over 2 hours in flattish conditions, relatively few stops and light wind. While the box tells you to point it upwards, it’s actually going to slide out from the side once you remove the top, which, works exceedingly well. Normally $18, but for whatever reason it shows $15 with 2 hour delivery. The Elite Direto XR continues the lineage of the Direto trainer brand, but significantly ramps up the capabilities of the trainer. My guess here is that due to the temp shift of the room (up about ~8°F/4°C from the previous day), may have contributed to this. I read in the comments that Elite say their trainers work in colder temperatures and users have reported no problems with Elite trainers in cold temperatures. Especially during workouts with frequently changing target power this is pretty annoying sometimes. The Wahoo representative in my region is nearly dead, they have a horrible website with nothing for sale and never respond to any email, so I hope I have a better experience with Elite. Elite Direto XR Indoor Trainer mit Travel Block Der Direto XR erweitert Elites Auswahl an interaktiven Rollentrainern durch ein Modell, welches noch leistungsfähiger, noch stabiler und noch genauer ist als seine Vorgänger. On the attached picture, you see the test done by a friend of mine on Kickr Core and by me on the Direto XR. Elite Direto X. This is a super basic trainer mat, which is exactly what you'll see me use. I think the Direto comes with a 11-28 cassette. In manchen Jahren setzt die Motivation für die nächste Saison schon ein bevor die alte vorbei ist… Eindrücke aus den ersten Trainingsmonaten mit dem ELITE Direto. Can I customize workouts let’s say in garmin connect (as I am doing right now) and sent it to the trainer to follow after (like I am sending it right now to my watch) let’s say to hold me in a specific power zone for a given time? ERG mode was more worrying at first but after playing with the power smoothing (changing default value from 2 to 5), things got better and more stable. I’m fine calibrating using BT for the moment and also, I don’t need to do that very often so, no big deal. Peter. Since then, those issues have been resolved. The bigger ring in the front makes the flywheel go faster, which makes it harder for the trainer to control resistance on a dime. And the resistance is all over the place too. Luckily it doesn’t seem to detract from a successful design, but I’d usually be worried about a design that focuses on flashy marketing points and potential ignores the basics. I think that the best choice would be the Kickr Core since I am used to a very very basic trainer (those cheap 80€ trainers you can buy on Amazon). But, there are edge cases where an app won’t do that – and then you get into the pickle like noted above. Der Direto XR ist die dritte Generation der Direto Reihe. That said, there are now direct-drive models on the market that are smaller and easier to carry around compared to where we were 3 years ago. Das neue Modell überzeugt mit seinen neuen Leistungskennzahlen. Regardly, Andrea. and maybe even the original / first direto? Peter. Think my written reviews are deep? It’s all I hoped for in upgrading from a dumb trainer and highly recommend it. Just to be clear — If you click on the description link it cycles back to the article. Direto XR Moment of Inertia = 19930 kgxmm2 In general, with most ERG apps, it’s going to release tension on the trainer once it establishes connection to the trainer.